Agenda and minutes

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Items
No. Item

1.

APOLOGIES FOR ABSENCE AND NOTIFICATION OF SUBSTITUTE MEMBERS

Minutes:

Apologies were received from Jacqui Scott from Bromley Healthcare.

Apologies were also received from Paul Feven and Councillor David Jefferys.  

2.

DECLARATIONS OF INTEREST

Minutes:

There were no declarations of interest.

3.

CONSIDERATION OF ISSUES RELATING TO THE BROMLEY HEALTH CARE CONTRACT--REABLEMENT

Minutes:

The report under discussion was a report on ‘Reablement’ drafted by Paul Feven (LBB Interim Joint Director of Integrated Commissioning, ECHS).

 

The Chairman stated that the purpose of the meeting was not to apportion blame, as he did not want to promote a blame culture. His aim was to look at the issues so that lessons could be learnt for the future.

 

The report had been drafted as a Part 2 report. The Committee debated at some length as to whether or not the report should be discussed and published as a part 2 report, or be published as a non-confidential item under part 1.

 

The Chairman expressed the view that the report was non-contentious, and could be dealt with as a part 1 item. Councillor Russell Mellor felt that the report should remain as a part 2 item. He felt that matters relating to TUPE in the report meant that it should remain as a part 2 item. Ade Adetosoye OBE, (Executive Director of ECHS and Deputy Chief Executive) suggested that a flexible approach be adopted and that the committee should see how the conversation developed.

 

The Director of Commissioning (Lesley Moore) stated that matters concerning TUPE would not normally be considered as a part 2 item. Part 2 items would normally be related to matters concerning procurement bids and contract awards. She felt that there was nothing contentious in the report. Councillor Angela Wilkins and the Vice Chairman (Councillor Neil Reddin) were happy for matters to be heard under part 1. The Chairman decided that the report was not commercially sensitive, and so could be discussed under part 1.

 

The Chairman stated that one of his aims in calling this meeting, and in discussing the issues, was to gain a better understanding of how the co-commissioning process with the CCG and the NHS worked in practice. He was seeking a clearer understanding of how the engagement process worked at a local and national level, so that services could

be provided that were both good value for money and of a high standard.

 

The Chairman was concerned that in the case of the commissioning of the Reablement contract, the process seemed to have progressed to an advanced stage with both parties misunderstanding issues relating to the TUPE of staff. He was seeking assurances that mutual understanding could be achieved so that this situation did not arise in the future. A mutual understanding was required to enable all parties to move forward. Both sides needed to clearly understand the fundamentals of interaction. The Chairman was hopeful that now LBB officers and the CCG would be more aligned in their thinking. He wanted assurances from Dr Bhan, the Director of Commissioning and the Deputy Chief Executive that this was now the case. He said that Members generically required this assurance as they were accountable to the public. 

 

The Chairman referred to a separate document that had been drafted by the Local Government Association and the CCG. The report was called, ‘Integrated  ...  view the full minutes text for item 3.